Aging Fabulously – 4 women talk menopause, sensuality, and self-acceptance

Jen Hardy [00:00:10]:

Welcome. Fabulous. Today’s episode is such a treat. I met Jeanmarie Ayres at the beginning of the year, and she is a hoot. Oh, my goodness. And I said, you know, I’d love to have you come with me on the podcast and we could talk. And she said, Well, I’ve got a podcast with two other women and we do everything together. And so I thought, well, let’s have a party. Today’s episode has four women on it, three over 51. Close enough. She’s going to count in here with us, and we have a very engaging discussion. Now, if you’ve got young kids in the car, you might not want to have them listen. It’s not an explicit one, but we do talk about some things that women talk about when they get together, and it might not be something for the family to listen to. So just a disclaimer, but we are having so much fun. In fact, we had such a blast that I broke it up into two different episodes. So we’re going to listen to the first half today. We’ll listen to the next half later in the week as a bonus because we talked for over an hour and there’s just some great nuggets of information in here. Some of the things that you think is, it just me? Are other women feeling this? I just feel like it’s all such great information. I want to leave it all here. So here they are, Everything and Jack.

Jen Hardy [00:01:33]:

Hi, everybody. I am so excited to have you all here. Can I have you each introduce yourselves?

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:01:39]:

My name is Jean Marie Ayres. And yes, Amy.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:01:45]:

I’m Amy Sullivan Ryan.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:01:47]:

And I’m Dr. Carrie Skirla.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:01:49]:

And we’re from the podcast from Everything in jack right, Carrie?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:01:53]:

Yeah. Where we talk about everything and absolutely nothing. Got that right.

Jen Hardy [00:02:00]:

I love it and I love your show. I’ve listened to it. And the way the three of you can talk without over talking each other is a miracle. And that’s why I thought we could have a great conversation. That is something I’m working on doing. And so I thought we would start with something by asking you all a question, which is what’s? Something that you thought was really important when you were younger, but have realized it really isn’t.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:02:29]:

You’re still super hot, man. Like a man that’s, like, got defined and chiseled ABS. I realized it just is not important.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:02:41]:

I’m still actually interested in that.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:02:44]:

No, I’m interested in it, but it’s like, okay, I don’t think I’m going to define my whole life, but if.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:02:49]:

They don’t have it, I can tolerate the first thing I thought of was sex. I went, oh, sex. But we don’t want to say that publicly. It just seems like a lot of trouble. Sometimes I just go, you know what? What I want is a really nice sleep. Do you know what I mean?

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:03:11]:

It seems like sex.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:03:13]:

You know that?

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:03:15]:

Yeah, but you know what? That used to be really important at some point. Not just the sex bit, but the intimacy. Yeah. But the wanting it. It’s more than that. It’s the wanting it. It’s the hunting it I noticed that I was thinking the other day, not that long ago, it could have been just yesterday. When was it? Yesterday? It could have been as early as yesterday when I walked into a place and I went, oh, I’m not as flirtatious as I used to be when I was that. And clearly there was something important. So it’s not really the sex bit.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:03:55]:

It’s more like maybe the validation.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:03:58]:

Yeah.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:03:59]:

The sexual tension the show going through it it’s just so great to be able to call up your man and go, okay, I’m coming home. Take off your pants. It’s just not having to build up to the sexual tension of like, are we actually going to get there?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:04:18]:

No, this is true. This is what I need. Because Mike came home from work yesterday that’s my husband, and he came home from work yesterday. As soon as he came through the door, I took his hand and walked him into the bedroom. But I have to say, it’s the understanding of intimacy and the exchange and also at our ages, because this is about a show about women over 50, the medicinal benefits of still engaging are just like amazing neurologically women over 50 that are still having active and positive sexual intercourse. I don’t know why that was so hard to get out.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:05:08]:

I know what’s going on there.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:05:13]:

Seriously, the data just shows that it reduces the potential for dementia, Alzheimer’s, things like that. So there’s a lot of medicinal benefits to women our age still engaging in that.

Jen Hardy [00:05:29]:

There you go, ladies. There’s a reason. Okay. And so here’s a question, too. When you were younger, when you first got married, did you feel as comfortable to say, hey, we’re going in there now, or is that something that’s come to you more recently?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:05:44]:

No, well, not when I first got married. It was two days before I had sex for the first time. But that was a whole programming from my dad about being a good girl. But my mother and my grandmother are Egyptian, and they just had a very positive mindset around it and just really taught me how to enjoy myself.

Jen Hardy [00:06:08]:

Yeah, that’s fantastic. I feel like not enough women have that at all.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:06:12]:

Yeah, well, I don’t know. How do we know that? Really? I don’t know that. I just want to put it out there. That’s a very swell swooping state.

Jen Hardy [00:06:23]:

Well, there is the women that I know, the women that I know that.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:06:26]:

I’ve I always have data, Jen.

Jen Hardy [00:06:29]:

Most of them have not had positive encouragement about their sexuality from parents. So I think it’s really important just the people I know that’s true. I shouldn’t make a sweeping statement, but it’s don’t do it. But when you are married, this is all the beauty of it. Right? They don’t ever say, this is the beauty of it. It’s rarely.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:06:55]:

I don’t think men or women are having that conversation. I don’t have data for this, but I have four sons, and I had a lot of conversation with them about it and to help them understand women and to really bring something to the table other than their own needs.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:07:18]:

Well, okay. Is there a follow through for that? Dr. Carrie.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:07:25]:

I just think it’s what Jen is saying. It’s like there’s this whole shaping in our culture about and it’s all placed on the female. Be a good girl, be a good wife, that sort of thing. Who’s talking to the men, like, really helping them to understand what we need. I have to say, my husband has a level of mastery around that understanding that the largest sex organ on a female is her mind. And so if you can unlock my mind and really motivate me and the things that stimulate me mentally, you’ll probably have a good date night. But if you’re just all of a sudden, out of nowhere, rubbing my shoulders.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:08:12]:

I actually had this images like oh, that’s what that ear thing is. It’s an entry to the mind.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:08:19]:

It is. It really is. I was sharing this this past weekend. Like my husband took me on a date, took me out to hear a band. And it was just he was so cool and confident. And then we came out from the concert. I’m so in love with him. Just infatuated. I can feel the dopamine releasing. Right. And he couldn’t find the car. And because he couldn’t find the car, he started to get stressed and snappy, and he was losing cool points, like, rapidly. And I realized I’m the one that’s going to pay the price for this. If I start to view him as like, oh, my gosh, you’re so goofy, you can’t find the car. And so I had to rescue my thinking because I could just feel it. It was like, yeah, I’m losing interest here. He started to look a little dorky. Right? And so it’s really a mind game that most of us are not aware of at all. We haven’t been taught how to focus on our men, how to focus on intimacy in order to really have it go well. We want exactly and then we’re the ones that end up paying the price because we don’t know how to do that now. Sex is just something you’re surviving. And I’ve spoken with women about this ladies where they know what to do to actually rush the situation and have it be over. Right. So that’s an act of survival. It really is. But if we can grab a hold of what I’m saying, that it’s medicinal, it’s good for you, and you want to keep a healthy mindset in the process in a way that you view your partner, I think it’ll go a lot different. And I think that was important to me when I was young and it continues to be important to me today.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:10:14]:

So I just want to add to that because you said something about men and then Amy go, what? It was something you want? And I go. No, I’m asking for what I want. I do have a man that looks me dear in the headlights as we’re talking about fabulous. Over 50 fabulous, by the way. And it’s like, okay, let’s not forget we have menopause. And I would like actually men to actually do some reading on menopause. Like when you said the biggest organ is the mind, like, hey, this is like the whole evening or the whole afternoon, or how about the whole day? Don’t ignore me for the whole day and expect a tip at the end.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:10:56]:

Of the day and then start rubbing my shoulders. Like I don’t know what that means.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:11:07]:

Sometimes I ask my man to massage me and I go, what are you doing?

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:11:12]:

Yeah, not there.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:11:17]:

And he really is not that interested anyway. Like, oh, my feet. What’s important now is really know about women. Don’t give me all the work. And by the way, this is probably the show that my husband’s not going to listen to because I’m going to he knows how to go golfing and hang out with his guys, and somehow it’s like you get to a certain age, it’s like, no, I still need something. I still need some stimulation, some talking to, and there is something special about menopause. That’s what I don’t think we talk enough about, like what happens to women when we have menopause. It’s a fabulous conversation.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:12:11]:

We hijack jin’s show.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:12:14]:

Yeah, it’s great.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:12:16]:

I think we just hijacked, Jen.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:12:18]:

Thanks for bringing back Jen.

Jen Hardy [00:12:22]:

I like this. This is why I don’t do my introduction until after I do the show, because I don’t know where we’re going.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:12:31]:

We don’t know either.

Jen Hardy [00:12:34]:

Because this is the kind of thing that I don’t normally talk about, but we need to be talking about it.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:12:39]:

We do.

Jen Hardy [00:12:39]:

And I like talking about it with a group of people, not just me saying my opinion, because we are four women with four different opinions. Everyone listening has a different opinion. So, no, I think we should ride this train and keep talking about it’s. Brilliant.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:12:54]:

Because Maria is spot on. There’s no conversation about that phase of life for women. There’s every conversation. When we enter into womanhood, I remember my mother telling me, if you start your period, you can go to any woman. She’ll help you if you’re not with me. And you could just say to them, oh, I got cramps. Right. But on the other side, when I was going through menopause, I called my mother and I’m like, mom, do you have any advice for me? And she’s like, dress in layers. You’ll get hot.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:13:33]:

Of stuff that was.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:13:34]:

Like, her only advice, not how to really care for myself, how to recognize the influence that it would have on my mindset from time to time. And with so little information about hormones out there, I mean, they’ve only discovered in the last 30, 40 years that hormones are the control center for a human being. There is really no conversation about male menopause. And so when you say hormones to a man, he thinks that’s something we deal with and not him, even though.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:14:07]:

He’S in a brand new convertible.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:14:09]:

Exactly. No, it’s true.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:14:12]:

Evil. Like it’s a bad thing, right. But it’s those same hormones that say, hey, take off your pants, right? They don’t recognize that those are also hormones that we’re dealing with, the happy ones that make us feel good, and we want to have sex all the time and everything else. It’s just, God, I really wish there was a lot more out there. Do you not take the stuff? Do you do the pellets? Do you be all natural?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:14:41]:

Whatever?

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:14:42]:

And it’s like, I feel sorry for the women ahead of us, or ahead of me, I should say, because I’m not there yet, that almost all of them look back and they go, I wish I had I wish I would have done this. I wish I had done this instead of that. And it really shouldn’t be a situation of looking back going, I wish I would have done this instead of that.

Jen Hardy [00:15:07]:

Yeah, well, I’ll tell you one thing about hormones that I’ve been wanting to say on the show, and there’s never an opportunity, is that I had a hysterectomy. I thought, okay, you have the hysterectomy. They say you go right into menopause. Okay? But the doctor did not say and then for the next few decades, you’re going to be dealing with some things. They were like, oh, then it’s over. Well, that was lies. But they also put me on I didn’t want to take the estrogen because I need to do the broca test, and I honestly keep putting that off. So I knew. No estrogen. But they said, well, then do the progesterone and testosterone, which turns out can also be a problem. So now I’m not taking those. But what they don’t tell you, when I get very low doses of the testosterone, I look down one day, I’ve got black hair growing on my stomach like a man, and this mustache coming in and okay, well, that would have been good information, because those are break it points for me, so no, I don’t want that. And then it took six months for all that to stop, and we’re not telling women, these are the things that will happen. We need to know if you really want that extra boost of energy or whatever that it did give me.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:16:20]:

That’s.

Jen Hardy [00:16:20]:

Fine, but do you want the no, I don’t know.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:16:24]:

Yeah, I think it’s good, but we should, actually, because it’s not a visual show right now. We just want to make sure that people do know. You’ve now got hair all over you.

Jen Hardy [00:16:37]:

It is gone now. I will say that, but I was not prepared, and I feel like doctors are not taking the time. What would that have taken? 2 minutes to say? These are some things that might happen, though.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:16:50]:

Were they a male doctor or female?

Jen Hardy [00:16:52]:

It’s a male doctor.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:16:53]:

Well, there you go. How do they know?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:16:55]:

Well, they don’t. They share what they know. But again, like, looking at the studies, hormones. Scientists have only just made these discoveries. If you put in a Google search like, I want to understand hormones, you’re not going to find very much. There’s only a couple of really good books out there on the topic, and they’re written in such a way that you would have to be a medical professional to really comprehend everything they’re saying. And when I went through menopause, who I found had done the deep dive work and put together the best compilation of data was Suzanne Summers, because of everything that we’re talking about, she was trying to understand it.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:17:50]:

You mean the underwear lady?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:17:53]:

The thighmaster lady?

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:17:55]:

The Thighmaster. That’s thigh, masters.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:18:02]:

Because there’s a laundry store in England called Anne Summers.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:18:06]:

So I just wanted to yeah, no, I think she has the most complete body of work that I’ve seen in her books. But a lot of people look at her and they’re like, oh, that’s Chrissy Snow from right. She’s a ditzy blonde. She doesn’t know exactly, but it really is the best. And it helped me a lot. It even helped me to understand what happens to Men. Her and her husband have been together since I think they were, like, 20 years old. They’re in their late 60s now, and she had a lot of really good information in there. And so men deal with low testosterone. Their estrogen levels go up, and this is why they become so needy and emotional as they get older.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:18:54]:

Are you talking about Amy’s boyfriend?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:18:57]:

Yeah, it’s just like, what’s wrong? Why are you so upset? Is that why you love information that they get? I mean, think about the commercials for our generation. Like, you’re in your car listening to your radio station from music of our time. I like all things Seventy s. And every commercial is about Ed and memory loss, brain fog. I’m like, oh, my gosh, so there’s remedies out there, but no explanations. That’s my point.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:19:35]:

And there we go.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:19:36]:

Did I lose you guys?

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:19:43]:

Did I miss that commercial? Because I didn’t know what Ed stood for? I’m sorry.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:19:48]:

Erectile dysfunction.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:19:52]:

Oh, I had to hear the whole thing. Okay, maybe I shouldn’t say that. All right, so what was the original question?

Jen Hardy [00:20:05]:

Isn’t that funny?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:20:06]:

I know we just to you when you were younger. That not so much.

Jen Hardy [00:20:10]:

Well, we can move on. Let’s talk about something else. Because I think the next question is what is the biggest blessing of growing older? That’s something that we don’t talk about any wisdom about.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:20:25]:

Definitely wisdom for me. Yeah. Like the things that I’ve learned, the life lessons and when I was younger. We hear people all the time say, if only I could go back in time with what I know now. Right. So I think that’s what it is for me. And everything from selecting the right inner circle to decision making in matters of my life, I’m just wiser now.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:20:58]:

Yeah, she is a wise one. Well, I think for me, if I was going to be really what’s biggest blessing? Because I don’t think it’s a thing as much as you had something about decisions, I was thinking I try to hear what’s a feeling and what’s the thing I said I was going to do. Most of the time, I don’t even want to get out of bed, but I do because I said I was going to do something like when I was younger, you know how to feel like it anymore. So there’s some blessing around. It’s easier to show up than it isn’t. And that may not be that’s not a blessing, but it is some there’s some intelligence about that. Maybe cultural intelligence or some intelligence, like, just yet show up, because I’m not sure. I showed up in my late teens, early 20s. It’s a bit of a blur. So I probably didn’t show up a lot. I would say now I show up. Like, I had to show up this morning for my sister in England. And in England, it was 02:00 A.m., and I showed up at 02:00 A.m., and I didn’t want to show up at Tia. It’s just so much easier to go to bed. But I showed up because I said I was going to show up. I’m not sure I was physically, but that to me is some intelligence of understanding the impact. If I didn’t show up, I think that’s a blessing.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:22:38]:

I think for me, it would be the ability to unstuck myself, so to speak. Meaning that my thoughts and ideas, my judgments of people and situations when I look backwards on my life I was very rigid early on in my life, and things were a certain way. And it wasn’t even it was black or white. It was just black. Like, that was just the way it was. And I couldn’t hear other people’s opinions or thoughts or ideas. And as I’ve gotten older, yeah, I can. And I’ve learned the ability to hear where people are coming from and empathize with them and recognize also when I am being stuck.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:23:34]:

Yeah. For me, I used to think there was one.

Jen Hardy [00:23:38]:

Yeah, there was right and there was wrong is how I used to say everything was right or wrong. Even things like as dumb as loading the dishwasher. When my husband and I met he was going to do it for me. And I said, no, you’re doing it wrong. And he said, well, actually, there is no wrong way. If you want the dishes clean and you want me to do it, this is how I’m going to. And I thought, oh my gosh, you’re right. And so many things are like that where they don’t matter, they’re not for death things, and it’s okay to sit back and let it go. You don’t have that sign.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:24:12]:

I think you have to know though, Jen, because I still live in a world of right and wrong, it should be this way. But there’s a little bit of wait a minute, wait a minute. What you’re saying is, well, that’s kind of my husband thinks there is a right way to load the dishwasher, and I have it right, that there isn’t a right way to blow the dishwasher, but hey, honey, go ahead, be my guest, load it. Okay.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:24:38]:

My only thing about the dishwasher is don’t put the forks and spoons, like, head down. Don’t go taking them out with your hands touching the fork I’m going to be using.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:24:54]:

There’s a little bit of a right way.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:24:56]:

Other than that, everything else, just throw it in there, get it clean.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:25:00]:

But it’s not just that. I mean, it could be the way you raise your kids, the way you potty train them. I look back at my kids and it was like if I read a book, that was it. I actually remember it was a series of books called Baby Wise. Child wise. Toddler Wise. Teen Wise. Right. And it went on and oh my God, my son was like nine months old and I’m supposed to feed him at noon, and it’s 1145 and he’s screaming, he’s hungry, but damn it, that clock does not say noon and you are waiting 15 minutes, right? Even for myself, the inability to really process the information that I was dealing with at that moment, which was, hey, people actually get hungry sometimes 15 minutes before you’re supposed to feed them. But I had read this book and I was so set that this was the way I was going to raise my kids that I could not let go of the fact, no, I just let him be pissed for 15 minutes, and then at noon, I gave him his food. But that’s what I mean by actually the ability to recognize in a situation when I’m being stubborn or stuck or digging in my heels or whatever, and I actually can’t see what’s going on around me right now as I’ve gotten older, I can actually do that.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:26:30]:

What you’re saying, though, is so important. If people could really get that, all of that is just programs and programs take root in the mind when we accept an idea. And when you’re young, before age twelve, your brain is just a big dumping ground. That’s it. Everything your parents tell you. It’s all shaped, what you learn at school, what you say with your friends, and then as you get older, we have more conscious participation in our decisions. But they’re so subtle. Once we accept an idea like this is the way that you load a dishwasher, it becomes the truth, and that’s that. And one of the things I’ve learned from Jean Marie, I remember a couple of years ago, I called her and I was just really upset, and she was like, so you’re just ready to ruin your life over that? And I’m like, ruin my life? I didn’t see it on that level. And because I’ve been married before, I looked at younger me, I was just emphatic, take your shoes off at the door. And he would come in. Sometimes he’s tired, he’s coming in. He still has his shoes on, and I’m attacking him. Why are you in here with your shoes on? You’re bringing the outside indoors. It’s nasty out there. And now we’re arguing about it, and I’m ruining my life over an idea that I accepted. So definitely, Amy, I just love that so much. I think we should all do that and look at what we categorize as right or wrong. And is it really or is it just something that our parents said or some societal norm that we’ve accepted and we’re inflexible around it?

Jen Hardy [00:28:20]:

Yeah, I like that. And I just want to say that I do believe that there is right and wrong in the world. I just want to say there are certain things right, because I said there was. No, that’s not what I meant, though.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:28:33]:

No, I get that. It’s a big difference between clubbing someone in the head and yelling at a man that’s been working all day, because.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:28:43]:

Who’S got that fabulous quote by that fabulous. Is it rumi? He said, there’s like a field out there. I’m going to look it up. Got to look it up. Do you know the quote I’m talking about?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:28:58]:

I do. It’s the one is it roomy? Yeah, it definitely is. It definitely is, because I was just looking at it a couple I got it ago. You got it already. Force field. I think he calls it a force field of normative ethics.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:29:16]:

If you carry I’m talking I’m going to thank goodness, a roomy poet who said, there’s a field and I’ll meet you out there. Out beyond oh, here we go. Okay, here we go. It’s coming up. It’s loading. It’s very exciting. Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right doing. There is a field. I’ll meet you there.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:29:39]:

Yeah, I like that.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:29:41]:

Isn’t that something?

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:29:43]:

Yeah.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:29:43]:

We got some depth to this show. Jane, jen. Jen, jane at all. That’s another show. Jane.

Jen Hardy [00:29:50]:

I have a daughter, Jane, so it’s okay.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:29:52]:

We had people on the show the other day and called me Jean Marie.

Amy Sullivan Ryan [00:29:55]:

And I was like, that’s wrong.

Dr. Cari Skrdla [00:29:58]:

I really didn’t like it.

Jean-Marie Eayrs [00:30:01]:

But I’ve been on my whole 58 years, jean Marie ears. And I would purposely sit and go, I’m not moving until they say Jean Marie ayers. Which is not going to happen. So not going to happen. unspellable name.

Jen Hardy [00:30:18]:

And on. Jean Marie. Ayre’s name? We shall part for today, but please come back because the rest of this conversation is coming later in the week and it is also fabulous. I am so thankful that these women have each other as such, close friends. And as you know, right now there’s this epidemic of loneliness. And I’ve started a new thing called Jen’s Friends. It’s a daily two to three minute video email for women of a certain age who are feeling, well, lonely. Maybe their kids don’t call as much as they could. Maybe they live alone, maybe it’s you or maybe someone you know and you feel like I should be calling more, but I’m not, and I need help and I need support. Go to jenhardy. netFriends and you will find it’s very easy to sign up. And I’ll be in their inbox every day, loving them, encouraging them, and just showing that you’re not alone. So I’d love it if you’d check that out and share it with somebody who could really use it and definitely listen to the next episode. We are going to have these amazing women finish our conversation. Stay tuned and stay fabulous.