Judge Boyd’s Inspiring Wisdom: A Chat About Life, Law, and Kindness

Jen Hardy [00:00:23]:
Judge Boyd. Okay.

Judge Boyd [00:00:25]:
Hi. It’s good to be back.

Jen Hardy [00:00:26]:
It is so great to have you here. People have said in the comments that Stephanie Boyd should run for president and is is running for political office? You know, I know that judges an elected position, but is that anything that you’d consider in the future?

Judge Boyd [00:00:44]:
Oh, well, I never close doors on anything. My mom would always tell me, whatever move you make, whatever you’re thinking about doing, you need to pray over it first. So, of course, if there’s a need for something and I feel as maybe I can improve it or better someone’s life, then, of course, I’ll always keep an open mind to it.

Jen Hardy [00:01:06]:
Alright. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of people. That’s that’s been a big thing.

Judge Boyd [00:01:13]:
Aw. That is so sweet that you guys think I’d I would be able to do that. I tell you what, if I were to run and were to be elected, I would do the very best I could.

Jen Hardy [00:01:22]:
There we go. And that’s all people can ask for.

Judge Boyd [00:01:24]:
That’s all

Jen Hardy [00:01:25]:
we can do.

Judge Boyd [00:01:25]:
Right. And I think because they see

Jen Hardy [00:01:27]:
that you’re compassionate and fair, you know, and and we need more of that. You know, no matter where you are, no matter what side you’re on, I don’t think it’s one side of the other thing. I think it’s it’s everybody. So do you have pets?

Judge Boyd [00:01:42]:
I did. Okay. And this is what ended up happening. I had a pet, and it had to be rehomed. And the reason why it had to be rehomed, and it was rehomed with someone who had lots of pets, who was one of my best friends, so I can always go right next door and visit. But the reason why is because my work schedule was so hectic. I I don’t think it’s fair to have a pet, and then the only time you’re spending with the pet is, okay. Let’s go walk.

Judge Boyd [00:02:12]:
You do your business. We’re coming back in. To me, that’s not good for the pet, and I saw that that wasn’t gonna be good for them because at the end of the day, I started losing extra sleep. And I ended up taking on that pet because somebody’s like, Stephanie, could you please do this? Me, I’m being I’m like, I’m superwoman. I’m gonna do it because this pet needs a home, and I’m gonna make it happen. And then I realized that wasn’t unfair. I mean, that was unfair, but, still see him every day. So

Jen Hardy [00:02:39]:
Oh, that’s nice. Yeah. Good. Okay. Because then I feel the same way. You know, it’s hard when you leave them at home, and you work a lot. And then when you’re not working, you travel and so yeah. And, you know yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:02:52]:
Okay.

Judge Boyd [00:02:53]:
But I would tell you, if I were retired, I would definitely do it. Or if my work schedule wasn’t so chaotic Right. Because when I’m in jury trial, it’s like you’re in a jury trial a long time. And if I didn’t have that, I would be able to do it.

Jen Hardy [00:03:13]:
Dog or cat?

Judge Boyd [00:03:15]:
Dog.

Jen Hardy [00:03:17]:
Me too. Fucking. I have a little £3.

Judge Boyd [00:03:20]:
Great too, but I always feel like they’re they’re looking at you. They have some questions for you.

Jen Hardy [00:03:24]:
Right. Like, They’re about to take over the world. You know? They are. They’ve got plans.

Judge Boyd [00:03:28]:
But I I am allergic to cats. That’s one of my other problems.

Jen Hardy [00:03:32]:
So am I. There we go. So, yeah, that’s we yeah. My kids would love a cat, but, oh, kids, they’re not kids. They’re children. Yes. See? Yes. Every time I think that I’m like, oh, no.

Jen Hardy [00:03:42]:
I cannot say it. I cannot. So, and we talked a lot about your mom last time. Mhmm. And she has the most incredible advice. So there was a few questions that people had about your mom. One of them is, would you ever think about writing a book with all of your brilliant sayings and the things from your mom?

Judge Boyd [00:04:00]:
Oh, I would love to do that. And let me just tell you, I always tell my mom, and I would tell my grandmother when she was alive. I would tell them how great they are. Like, my mom doesn’t think she’s great. She’s like, oh, no. And I will always write her letters sometime and I and give her a card and and I always put in there, you know, if I had to choose my mom from all the moms in the world, I would still choose you. And she’s just like, yeah. You’re just saying that because of my mom.

Judge Boyd [00:04:25]:
So she really I don’t think she’s taken stock of the fact that she’s such a great parent. And as you know, parents tend to focus on what they think they didn’t get right. I would love to sit down with her and write a book with her. And I was one of the children in our family because of the way the age range was. I was always you know, my grandmother was babysitting me, or I was with my mom, so that was the people I would sit around and listen to. And my mother, my grandmother would always say, older people, listen to them because they have some great knowledge to impart. Even my, great grandmother, my mom will say things that she said, and my great grandmother wasn’t formally educated. But my mom said, you know, when I think back on it, she was given some great sage advice.

Judge Boyd [00:05:20]:
My grandmother only graduated as far as 6th grade, but she would give great sage advice. And, you know, I just love my mom. What can I say? I think she’s fantastic. I wouldn’t trade her for the world.

Jen Hardy [00:05:34]:
I think she’s fantastic. I love your mom too, and I’ve never even met her. But, you know, just from the things you say, and I, you know, I think that says a lot about how she raised you too is Aw. You always have good things to to say. So alright. Now on the flip side, if you could go back and change one thing about your life, what would that be? Would you Actually,

Judge Boyd [00:05:54]:
I thought about that, and I always think about it in terms of it’s a wonderful life, that movie.

Jen Hardy [00:05:59]:
Mhmm.

Judge Boyd [00:06:01]:
I wouldn’t change anything about my life, and here’s why. It’s because I don’t know if there are changes that I would make would negatively impact someone else. So I wouldn’t. Because let’s say, I would say, my adventure to law school. So I ended up putting letters in the mail, and I thought I don’t know if I told this story last time. No. Okay. This is how I decided on what law school I was going to.

Judge Boyd [00:06:31]:
I got employment. I had just finished grad school, and I said, every check I have, I’m gonna use it to send it off to a law school. And at that time, I didn’t know that you had to pay to put in an application. So it was like a $150, and I was like, well, this is gonna get expensive. So I sent it off, I think, to 3 schools. I sent it to Saint Mary’s. And the reason why I sent it to here in San Antonio is because they had a nice, a nice program, and they have where you can actually practice law. And then I sent it to that’s my mom now.

Judge Boyd [00:07:08]:
I’m sorry. Just one second. Anyway, what I did was I sent one to Saint Mary’s, I sent one to Pepperdine, and I sent one to Hawaii. And my mom said, hey. You know, if you get accepted to Hawaii, you are not gonna be able to come home on a regular basis because it’s gonna be too expensive. But, you know, me, I’m just like, I’m gonna be in Hawaii. So what ends up happening is I was like, oh my gosh. This is a big decision, and you know where I’m gonna go.

Judge Boyd [00:07:36]:
And my mom said, we’re just gonna pray over it, and whichever application comes back with an acceptance first, that’s where you’re gonna go. So lo and behold, check the mailbox, and the one that came back back first is Saint Mary’s. So we get out of the car. We come to Saint Mary’s. My mom is like, I love the people. It’s a big, ginormous city compared to Shreveport. But she’s like, it seems like family here, so this is where you’re gonna go. I’m like, yeah.

Judge Boyd [00:08:01]:
This is where we’re gonna go. I met the dean and everything. So when I come back home, there is a letter in the mailbox, and it’s an acceptance letter from Pepperdine, and it’s a full scholarship. And I’m like, full scholarship, Pepperdine, because their brochure was so beautiful. It was a brochure of the rocks being hit by water, and it just seems like it was so serene. And my mom’s like, yeah. You can’t go there because we said we’re gonna pray over it. So I didn’t go to Pepperdine, and in the words of Seinfeld, yadayada yada, I ended up with the equivalent of a mortgage in school loans.

Judge Boyd [00:08:38]:
And I had to sit out a year from Saint Mary’s because they didn’t have any dorm space available, so I set out an entire year. Now the expedited route, except that scholarship to Pepperdine, But who knows what would happen if I would’ve accepted that? And I would’ve missed some great people. I would not have been staying in the dorm. And when I was staying in the dorm, I got got to meet people who were studying for engineering degrees. So I never like to say, if I could go back, I could change this. It even relates to I’ve had a lot of females in my family who passed from breast cancer. And I think to myself, you know what? If I could go back, I’d say, hey. You know what? Everybody in this family, we really need to get that breast exam.

Judge Boyd [00:09:23]:
We really need to do this. But then, you know, when certain people in my family pass, then their children have become adults. They’ve been married, and they’ve had children. So if that person were to still be around, would they still have gotten married? Would they still have children? Would we not have the children we have? It’s just too many variables for me to say I would go back and change anything.

Jen Hardy [00:09:48]:
And I think that’s beautiful too. And yeah. Because You

Judge Boyd [00:09:53]:
never know what’s your one decision.

Jen Hardy [00:09:55]:
Right.

Judge Boyd [00:09:56]:
That’s the time continuum up.

Jen Hardy [00:09:58]:
And why and something that sometimes the things that we think look like the best, once they pass, we realize they were not, you know, the best.

Judge Boyd [00:10:06]:
That is so true. And there’s a program. It’s I I mean, there was a movie. I think it was called about time where this guy could go back in time, and he went back in time because he was trying to reintroduce himself to this girl because he kept making mistakes. Right? And then one time he went back in time, and he came back, and the person who I think they had a daughter. And when they came back, it was no longer a daughter. It was now a son because they kept messing with the timeline. So

Judge Boyd [00:10:35]:
Right. Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:10:36]:
Plus, you’re closer to your mom. You could drive there. And I think that, you know, that that makes a big difference too. Yeah. So alright. If is there a case, yours or someone else’s, that’s really stuck with you that you can share? I know there’s a lot of things you can’t.

Judge Boyd [00:10:51]:
Well, I will tell you there’s a case that I had in my past, as a defense attorney, and this is what I always stress to my students about being a defense attorney. Each case that you have is a lot of cases for you, but for the person that you represent, that is the most important case in their life. And in this job, it’s sorta easy to get jaded, like, you know, oh, I’ve heard this story a 1000000 times. Even when I’m sitting on the bench, sometimes people ask me, people keep coming up with the same stories. How do you do it? And I always tell them, you know, it’s for me, that’s the first time that person is telling it to me, so I’m I’m gonna treat it as it’s new. So I had a client, and this client was telling me they’re not guilty of something. Right? But all the evidence was pointing towards guilt. And so I had to take a real step back because sometimes you’re just like, this is what the evidence is.

Judge Boyd [00:11:52]:
This is what it is. And that case brought me back where I’m like, you know what, Stephanie? Step away for a little bit. Come back. Review everything. Then I see that client all the time, and she’s just like, oh, Stephanie, thank you so much for believing in me. Thank you for, just leaving no stone unturned. And I would always leave no stones unturned, but it’s just that that case sticks out to me the most because the evidence against that person was piled so high. And it was a matter of wading through everything and leaving no stone unturned.

Judge Boyd [00:12:33]:
And she’s such a great person, and I see her all the time.

Jen Hardy [00:12:37]:
That’s great. And she was innocent? Yes. Oh, see. And that that’s so wonderful.

Judge Boyd [00:12:42]:
Oh, see. And that’s the rough thing about this job. People will always ask you, oh, when I was a defense attorney, how can you represent someone who did such a horrible thing? And I always have to remind the republic remind the public, 1, you don’t know if they did it or not because you are not there. And if you were there, you should not be representing them. And 2, think about your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, whoever it is. Would you not want somebody to represent them? Every a lot of people are okay with how dare you represent this person or that person until it’s somebody they love. And that’s why I stress that everybody’s a human being and should be treated as such. But it’s hard, and the hardest thing is when you have a client and you’re you 100% believe and say, this person is 100% innocent.

Judge Boyd [00:13:34]:
That is so terrifying because your heart is just beating. And I’ve had 4 cases where my heart is just like of course, my heart would beat all the time because I’m just like, but still those cases were devastating and devastating. They were found not guilty, but those cases were devastating because there was so much at stake. And, you know, the family is putting all their hopes, their dreams on you. Like, please do the you know? And I’m like, hey. I’m not on the jury, but I’m doing the best I can. But it it they’re hard.

Jen Hardy [00:14:14]:
So if somebody is needs to come to court, maybe they’re a defendant or something, do you have advice for people who don’t know what they should be doing when they show up?

Judge Boyd [00:14:23]:
Yes. So here’s my advice. Coming to court. Oh my gosh. It is nerve racking. I know it’s nerve racking for a defendant, but you’re trying to put your best foot forward. Nobody’s asking, people who are accused or people who come to court. I’m not asking you unless you’re an attorney.

Judge Boyd [00:14:43]:
I’m not asking you to come with a suit, a tie, and all of that because some people just don’t have a suit or a tie laying around. And I would always tell my clients, look, you can come in with a nice pair of jeans and a nice shirt. Just get you a white shirt. That’s it. You don’t even really need a top, just the white shirt. And if you wanna throw on a jack a sports jacket just for extra, do that. But don’t wear shirts that have writings on them. Don’t come to court when you’re charged with DWI with a shirt that says boozy night, which we’ve seen, don’t come to court with the marijuana leaf.

Judge Boyd [00:15:16]:
Now is not the time for you to make a political statement or a statement on society. You just wanna fade in. I would always tell my clients, one of the worst things for you is if a judge sort of remembers you, because sometimes they’re remembering you because there’s some crazy things that have happened in regards to you, or you’ve done some crazy things. You just want to be nondescript. You just wanna come in, be pleasant, no gum chewing, make sure your phones are off, no flip flops, no shorts. Ladies, no no low cut blouses. I actually had a client once who came from a nightclub. Straight from the nightclub to court.

Judge Boyd [00:16:02]:
Stayed up all night at the nightclub and came in, and I was like, you’re not dressed appropriately. You gotta run down to the Goodwill. You gotta put on a jacket because the judge is gonna be very angry. And so that’s the number one rule. And people don’t bring your children to court. When your when your attorney is asking you questions or even when the judge is asking you questions, only answer what’s being asked. Because a lot of times in my court, I’ll ask a specific question, and then somebody had go off on tangents, and I go off on the tangent with them because I’ve just discovered something that I didn’t know. For example, today, we had someone who has access to a vehicle and they’re not supposed to.

Judge Boyd [00:16:46]:
And so people like, oh, we didn’t know that. You know? So listen to those questions. Oh, and number 1, always be on time.

Jen Hardy [00:16:54]:
So I have a few questions from other people.

Judge Boyd [00:16:56]:
Sure.

Jen Hardy [00:16:57]:
And so I’ll tell you. So they’re all people who are on YouTube who watch you and and everything. So So the first one, it’s a it’s a interesting his interesting name. He is Jonathan from Drunk Beaver Productions.

Judge Boyd [00:17:11]:
Hello, Jen. It’s Jonathan from Drunk Beaver Productions. Thank you for the opportunity to participate in this interview, and thank you to judge Boyd for the time today. It’s an honor to get to interact with you. My question is, judge Boyd, what was the driving factor in your decision to pursue a career in the justice system?

Judge Boyd [00:17:30]:
Believe it or not. So when my grand grandmother would babysit me, I was probably the only 4 year old who watched Perry Mason. I watched Perry Mason. I love what Perry Mason did. I’m like, this would be a great thing, and I’ve always wanted to be an attorney, and I never deviated from that. Even when I was going to graduate school, they was like, I probably need a business degree because I’m gonna be an attorney, and I’m gonna be on my own. And I used to know how all of the financial things work. So I always wanted to be an attorney.

Judge Boyd [00:18:02]:
And my mom always said to me, Stephanie, if you find if you’re gonna find an occupation that you can make a living at and that you’re passionate about and you enjoy it, it really won’t be work. And in the lean years, you’ll still be able to struggle through it, and it’ll be fine because you enjoy it. And so that’s why I chose, criminal law. Oh, and just as a side note, the other thing that people should know about courtrooms, they’re open to the public. So always, when you wanna know who your judges are, pack a lunch, come go downtown wherever you may be, and you can just sit in the courtroom and watch trials. It doesn’t have to be a famous trial. It doesn’t have to be the Johnny Depp trial or whatever, and you can just see what happens day to day in your courts. The only thing I suggest you not do is CPS court, which is the child protective courts and the juvenile courts.

Judge Boyd [00:18:53]:
But all of the adult courts, just walk in there and see what’s going on. Civil side, somebody’s having a car suitcase. Go over there. See how it is.

Colin [00:19:02]:
What’s going on? This is Colin. Judge Boyd, good to see you. As a judge, do you ever get frustrated with attorneys that wanna come off the bench and help the client yourself? Let me know.

Judge Boyd [00:19:20]:
No. You know what I end up doing? What I’ll end up doing is I go off the record, and then I’ll bring, the state’s attorney and the defense attorney in the back, and we’ll have a discussion if I think there’s an issue. Because I never wanna embarrass anyone, and then I don’t know everything. And I don’t pretend like I know everything and know every little single piece of law, and I know that attorneys don’t, and they’re struggling. They have all of these cases. And sometimes, yeah, they’re attorneys, but everybody’s a human being, and they have a lot of things that are going on in their life that sometimes is more than just this. Sometimes I have attorneys whose parents have just passed, so they’re a little, you know, off kilter. So I’ll bring them in the back and say, hey.

Judge Boyd [00:20:07]:
Did you think about this? Did you think about that? And like for today, people think may I have been short with my patience today? I don’t know. But I was trying to get people directly to the point because I knew we have a jury trial, and I don’t wanna keep a jury wait waiting. But, no, I never wanna jump down and do that to an attorney. And if I think there’s an attorney who maybe is having some issues with representation. I’ll talk to them in the back with the prosecutor. And anytime there’s an attorney who’s been in that situation, they’ll let me know and say, judge, not really think I need to be off of this case, and and this is why. And we’ll do it that way because I don’t want to ruin their ability to have a livelihood or ruin their reputation because there is one incident, you know, when they represented 1,000 and this is just this one where all the things

Jen Hardy [00:21:03]:
lie have built

Judge Boyd [00:21:04]:
to put them in a situation that they’re in.

Jen Hardy [00:21:09]:
Well, that is a very kind response. Oh.

American Courts [00:21:13]:
Thank you, judge Boyd, for the opportunity to ask you questions. Thank you for your years in the family courts. Do you feel that the infrastructure is adequate to provide the services for the people in your area?

Judge Boyd [00:21:24]:
No. Alright. Let me just tell you what I think. In the dream world, if there was money available and we just had this extra money to spend. Let me just tell you. Child protective services workers, they’re overworked, underpaid. They’re not enough. That’s why in my court, I’m focusing too as far as improving, a person’s life and helping them build.

Judge Boyd [00:21:53]:
I’m always looking for what is happening with the children. And, really, when you think about it, if I have somebody in in my courtroom who’s testing positive for meth, child protective services should be involved in their life if they have children because someone who is using meth is not a good parent. You can’t be a good parent no matter how you say, oh, well, I don’t use meth around my children, or we’re not doing it’s affecting and impacting your children. So on those cases that I have, child protective services should be involved, but there’s limited number of workers. And that’s why I always have probation officers doing field visits so they can go out there, make sure that children are okay. In a perfect world, I would love and I think and if y’all wanna write your legislature, please write your legislature. I think that in every criminal court, there should be an assigned CPS caseworker so that they can know what’s happened with children. And then I’ve had cases in my court sometime where CPS worker is involved, and they don’t know that the defendant is testing positive for drugs.

Judge Boyd [00:23:00]:
That’s why I always have CPS workers zoom in, like, did you know this person is in court testing positive for joints? They’re like, oh, we didn’t know that. Okay. We need to get everybody needs to get on the same page. And sometimes it’s not a matter of people about to get revoked in my court. It’s I’m trying to get you back on track. We’re trying to make you be successful. The best parent for the children really is supposed to be their parents. Government is not great with raising children.

Judge Boyd [00:23:33]:
Judge Boyd, we would like to know if you could have any skill or talent that you currently do not possess, what would that be and why?

Judge Boyd [00:23:45]:
I cannot sing to save my life. My mom has the most beautiful voice. I can’t sing to save my life, but I still sing. And I would love to be able to carry a tune because I just think singing is so beautiful. It would it’s nice to through the day. And my mom says sometimes she’s, Stephanie, do you know you She’s like, sometimes when you’re on the bench, I can hear you humming. And I said, no. I didn’t know that.

Judge Boyd [00:24:15]:
But singing, I would love to be able to sing. And I can’t. I accept it, but I still sing as though I can. And my mom said, oh, no. Your voice is beautiful.

Judge Boyd [00:24:24]:
So There you go.

Jen Hardy [00:24:25]:
Alright. And then the last one from someone else is Meg from Meg’s Crimewatch.

Meg [00:24:31]:
I’m curious if judge Boyd ever watches any of the YouTube streams of courts and other jurisdictions, and what her thoughts are on it if

Judge Boyd [00:24:39]:
she does.

Judge Boyd [00:24:40]:
I really don’t. The only let me see. Have I ever watched anything? I haven’t watched anything. I’ll see like, if I’m watching a documentary, then maybe that’ll come up. Me and and me watching sort of documentaries about court cases, that started ended after I graduated from law school because we didn’t have time, But we would always watch documentaries about court cases. This is as an attorney, you’re trying to learn learn your craft, what not to do, what’s this, what’s that. But, normally, I don’t because once I take a break and, you know, off the clock, I really wanna be off the clock.

Jen Hardy [00:25:20]:
Alright. So what do you like to do? I mean, I know you like to travel to Paris. Mhmm. But what other things do you enjoy doing outside of?

Judge Boyd [00:25:28]:
I love reading. I love gardening. And, actually, when I get back in my home, I’m gonna start my little vegetable garden. And now I’m just, like, enamored with my niece. I try to get home as much as possible to see her, and I do have travel plans that I’m getting in place for my mom so we can go to Italy together When I retire, hopefully, it’s peep people said, what is retire what will retirement look like? What are your plans? And so I have to start formulating plans as to what is that gonna look like for me. And, hopefully, it’s gonna be traveling and owning a bookstore, but we should see.

Jen Hardy [00:26:13]:
Oh, that sounds wonderful.

Judge Boyd [00:26:14]:
I love I’ve always wanted to own a bookstore. 1 of the attorneys in our court, he loves everything on Julius Caesar. And I always tease him about Julius Caesar because I watched Spartacus on I think it was on Starz or whatever.

Judge Boyd [00:26:30]:
He’s like, that didn’t happen. I’m like, well, that’s not what it says on Spartacus. He’s like, stop. You’re ruining my hero.

Judge Boyd [00:26:38]:
But I love I love historical fiction as well because I always think I love to to read it and then go to the location where it’s supposed to have happened. And I always think to myself, okay. At this point in time, during that time period, what were people thinking, and could they see, in the words of Briscoe County Junior, the coming thing? You know? I always wonder about that.

Jen Hardy [00:27:01]:
Oh, I know. I I don’t think they could imagine anything about what we what we live right now.

Judge Boyd [00:27:05]:
Yeah. Oh, even with my grandmother, my mom is like, it is amazing. You can take a photo on your phone and then send it to the other person, and they can see it. You know, I grew up where you had the camera, you had to put the flash on the top. And then when you got the, disposable camera, and then you just take it in the codec, and then you get your photos back.

Jen Hardy [00:27:23]:
Yeah. And you had to wait.

Judge Boyd [00:27:25]:
Yes. And you can

Jen Hardy [00:27:26]:
take one picture of each thing. That’s all you got.

Judge Boyd [00:27:29]:
Oh, that’s it.

Judge Boyd [00:27:29]:
And then you’re like,

Judge Boyd [00:27:31]:
and then you can open it because if the light hit it, it will mess up the film.

Judge Boyd [00:27:34]:
Yes.

Judge Boyd [00:27:35]:
Oh, the young people don’t even know what we mean when we say there’s film in the camera.

Jen Hardy [00:27:38]:
Oh my goodness. No. And then you’d you know? Yeah. Half the pictures you’d be looking off and blinking and

Judge Boyd [00:27:44]:
And then you you’ll put them in the album. Yeah. And then you thought you were high-tech if you had the Polaroid.

Jen Hardy [00:27:50]:
Oh, that was a big deal.

Judge Boyd [00:27:51]:
Like, look at it. That’s us. Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:27:54]:
That was so funny. Alright. So the last official question I have is, what is the one thing that you would do to make our country better?

Judge Boyd [00:28:06]:
Bring back kindness. Bring back consideration. Everyone, like they told us in school, put on your listening ears. You know, I think people are so apt to respond to people before they even finish a question. They’re like, oh, I know where they’re going. Let me go ahead and jump right in. But listening is great, and my mom would always stress that to us because she said, you already know what you know. And if you don’t listen, you’re not gonna learn or know what other people know.

Judge Boyd [00:28:37]:
So if people would listen, if people would be kind, if people would be considerate, because I think people have their opposing viewpoints. Some people are way over here with their viewpoint. Some people are way over there, and you know, there’s never gonna be a meeting in the mill middle. There’s never gonna be an agreement. But we’ve gotten to the point where just saying, you know, we’ll have to agree to disagree. And saying in account, we we some people can’t even do that anymore. And I’ve had conversations with political conversations with people and things that have been happening in the world with people, And there have been sometimes where I I would have to tell them, well, you know, if we can’t even agree to this one piece, then maybe it’s a nonstarter. Right? And we should just agree to disagree and go on with other conversations.

Judge Boyd [00:29:34]:
I still don’t abide by what my mom said, which is don’t talk religion or politics, and everything will be fine. And if somebody wants to impart some knowledge, here you are. And even people who have different viewpoints with me on social issues or politically, if they have something they wanna tell me, I’ll tell them, hey. Yeah. Sure. I’ll listen. What does it hurt to listen? Right? Just be nice. And just doesn’t hurt you to take that piece of paper, and guess what? That’ll be a piece of paper if you don’t wanna keep it that you can put it in the recycle bin, and that’ll be one less piece of paper that was not recycled.

Jen Hardy [00:30:12]:
So alright. Well, thank you. I know you’ve got a trial, so we will definitely, let you go. And is there any do you have any parting words for on this?

Judge Boyd [00:30:20]:
Alright. Everyone, be kind. Be patient, and don’t spend more than 5 minutes on a problem that is only worth 5 minutes of your time.

Jen Hardy [00:30:36]:
Mic drop. Okay. Alright. Well, thank you again for joining us. I really appreciate it.

Judge Boyd [00:30:42]:
Alright. Thank you so much. It’s always great seeing you.

Judge Boyd [00:30:45]:
Great seeing

Judge Boyd [00:30:45]:
you too. And my mom loves you, by the way. She’s so good to

Judge Boyd [00:30:48]:
see you.

Jen Hardy [00:30:48]:
I love her too.