Jordan Harbinger Spills the Tea

Jen Hardy [00:00:01]:
Today is the least interviewee interview I’ve ever done, and it is with one of the most exciting people I’ve ever met. Now, Jordan Harbinger, well, he’s a regular guy from a regular town, mid, 40 something, wonderful wife. I’ve met her. Her name is also Jen, and he’s a family guy. He has a kid with the same name as one of my seven, too. Basically what you’d expect when you look at him. No, until you start doing the research. Because this guy, well, he’s attracted to the forbidden.

Jen Hardy [00:00:32]:
He used to give tours into North Korea. He’s been abducted in two countries, neither which is the one where he resides, speaks five languages, which could have something to do with the fact that he worked with the FBI from the time that he was 16 years old. And for those of you who missed the Voices of Justice podcast, he was also an attorney. Yeah, this guy is incredible. And guess what else? He’s fun. Now, if you want to hear about any of those fascinating things, you’re going

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to have to watch an interview of

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his on another show. Why? Because everyone talks about those things. And I wanted to get to know the real Jordan Harbinger, and we do here. He had a little bit of coffee, he got really chatty. And can I tell you something? It was absolutely fabulous. You’re going to hear about flushing disease in the Amazon. You’re going to hear how he really feels about the younger generation and which generation he pictures himself in. I guarantee you’re not going to believe it.

Jen Hardy [00:01:36]:
So make sure you stick through to the end, because what he says there is going to shock you. And here he is, my new friend, Jordan Harbinger.

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We went to the Amazon, and we went pretty deep in the Amazon, went

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and stayed at a science research station,

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and there were these sand flies everywhere, and if you know, those things just bite. They bite, they bite, they bite, they bite. And so I was like, all right, I’m just going to wear long pants, long sleeves, not try to be like Mr. Swimsuit over here.

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Well, this, this one dude who is

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from Panama, Canadian, living in.

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And there was just the unluckiest guy

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that you’ve ever met.

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And it was comical how bad his luck was. And he also made terrible decisions, which

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was definitely related to his bad luck streak. Okay?

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But after the trip, he goes, does anybody have any sort of weird allergic reactions?

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And everyone was like, no, I don’t have an allergic reaction.

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What are you talking about? He’s like, I have this little thing on my face. And everyone’s like, Ah, it’s probably heat rash.

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It’ll go away. And he’s like, all right.

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And then weeks and weeks and weeks

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later, he’s like, guys, this is pretty bad.

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And we’re like. He showed photos in the group chat and we were just like, dude, you need to go to a hospital and

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not touch anything anywhere until you do. Even though it’s been like a month.

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So he goes to the hospital and they’re like, you have some kind of

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flesh eating bacterial parasite whatever that we’ve never seen.

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So luckily he’s living in Panama, so they send him to this like international CDC funded, UN funded tropical disease research center. And they’re like, wow, you have leash maniasis, which is a very, very, very

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rare flesh eating bacteria. And he had it on his face. Unbelievable. He’s fine now, by the way, but holy smokes.

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I mean, you have a better chance

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of getting struck by lightning, I think, than getting leashed.

Jen Hardy [00:03:33]:
It’s okay.

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Claim your strength, girl.

Jen Hardy [00:03:35]:
Go now and let yourself do for.

Jen Hardy [00:03:38]:
I appreciate your time very much so. Thank you for sure.

Jordan Harbinger [00:03:41]:
Yeah, thanks for having me on. I. I appreciate it.

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And I know we bounced around a couple, few rounds, but here we are.

Jen Hardy [00:03:49]:
Here we are.

Jen Hardy [00:03:49]:
Yeah, I’m. Yeah, I got Mersa. It’s a whole thing.

Jordan Harbinger [00:03:53]:
Did you.

Jen Hardy [00:03:54]:
Oh yeah, it’s on my face. It’s a whole deal.

Jordan Harbinger [00:03:57]:
Is that is. I can’t.

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Barely.

Jen Hardy [00:03:59]:
Yeah. And then I got a tetanus shot today. Like I’m telling you, it was a lot getting to today.

Jordan Harbinger [00:04:05]:
Getting your butt kicked. Can I ask how you got Mercer? Not the point of the show. But that’s. That’s so crazy.

Jen Hardy [00:04:11]:
I had beer like a little bit of a. Like a barely a scratch on my face. That’s all it took.

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And then you ended up. Did you go to a hospital?

Jen Hardy [00:04:20]:
I went to urgent care three times. Two different urgent cares because it was getting worse and. And then I had to go to the er. Yeah. And get some rosephen. Like something brushed my face and barely. Like you couldn’t see a scratch. It was really nothing.

Jen Hardy [00:04:33]:
And from that came. Yeah. The nightmare of mercy.

Jordan Harbinger [00:04:37]:
That is a nightmare. So. So this is.

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I don’t know how much you want to go into this kind of stuff on your show because it is kind of fun. I mean, not your Marissa, but other people. Amazon. We went pretty deep in the Amazon.

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Went and stayed at a research station. Unbelievable.

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He’s fine now, by the way, but holy smokes.

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I mean, you have a better chance

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of getting struck by lightning, I think, than getting Leash.

Jen Hardy [00:04:58]:
That’s crazy.

Jordan Harbinger [00:04:58]:
Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:04:59]:
Yeah. I mean, I’ve been.

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It’s been over a week.

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I’m on three different antibiotics, plus what I got at the hospital, and it is not. Not going away. And it’s.

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My God.

Jen Hardy [00:05:07]:
It’s not. But you know what?

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We’re here.

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Darn it.

Jordan Harbinger [00:05:10]:
We are.

Jen Hardy [00:05:10]:
We’re gonna do the thing. But, yeah, I’m supposed to be making all this content. How am I? Whatever. Anyway, it is what it is. People are seeing the reality. People want real now, right? They’re getting real.

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They do. This is. In fact, it’s so real, other people don’t really want to touch it or

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be near it without protective equipment.

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That’s how real we’re getting right now. You need PPE for this episode.

Jen Hardy [00:05:29]:
This is why we’re virtual.

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Yeah, that’s right. Quarantine.

Jen Hardy [00:05:34]:
Yeah. Well, I’m going on this travel thing. I’m going to this travel influencer thing this weekend.

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Like, now. You got a battle scar. It’s like, what? Oh, man, you don’t travel. I got Marsa on my last trip. What did you get? What did you bring home?

Jen Hardy [00:05:45]:
Oh, my God.

Jordan Harbinger [00:05:46]:
A poncho. Nice, right?

Jen Hardy [00:05:49]:
It’s your gift that keeps on giving.

Jordan Harbinger [00:05:50]:
That’s right.

Jen Hardy [00:05:51]:
Anyway. Oh, my God. So now that we’ve established that you have all kinds of fun, which. Oh, my God, you do have all kinds of fun. I loved learning about you was the most fun I’ve had learning about a guest ever. I appreciate my old podcast on YouTube was Voices of justice, so the fact that you’re an attorney or was an attorney ties into all that. But what I want to know is. And this is going to be boring now, talking, I don’t know.

Jen Hardy [00:06:15]:
I feel like maybe we should talk about adventure some more.

Jordan Harbinger [00:06:17]:
We can if you want.

Jen Hardy [00:06:18]:
A lot of fun. But I want to talk about one thing really quick before we go back, because. Because my audience is having a problem. And so I don’t know if you know this about me, but I have seven children. I’ve given birth to six of them across four decades. He spanned three generations. So I’ve got an Alpha, a Z, and millennials. And I thought you were a millennial because I thought you were younger.

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But I don’t even know, though.

Jen Hardy [00:06:40]:
Like, you’re, like, right on the cusp of.

Jordan Harbinger [00:06:42]:
Yeah. So it depends, right? If people are talking about something and

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I need a little shred of credibility, I claim the Gen X title, which is legit, because I’m on the edge of that.

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But if I need to Claim credibility

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about being, you know, relevant to 2026.

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Hey, I’m, I’m a millennial as far as you’re concerned. So I get to float nicely between those two generations.

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And nobody can really credibly argue against that.

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Although to out what is it? Alpha and Z, we’re still just a

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bunch of old boomers and we’re all in one category and you know, we don’t know anything about any. Anything.

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I still learn these, these phrases from

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my younger cousin who’s 26. You know, I feel like we’re roughly the same age. And she’s like, no, old.

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You’re 20 years older than me. And I’m like, dang, man, when did that happen?

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You know, and then she says something like skibidi and I don’t understand. And then we just go from there.

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It. They, they really do have a crazy different generation.

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That they’re, they really are a crazy different generation, I should say.

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And I feel bad for them, you know, like they’re dealing with the incoming AI job, nuclear, whatever you want to call it, Rep. Occupational holocaust almost really,

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that’s about to happen in slow motion. Quick motion actually is. Is coming at him like a freight train. And then they’re coming into a pretty unstable world where all the wealth has been hoarded by the older generations older than us, I think I can say mostly even the hands of the boomers. Right? So it’s, it’s crazy time. I would not want to be 26 right now, I’ll tell you that. I’m glad. I’ve never been so glad to be middle aged man.

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everyone said high school’s the best time of your life. And then it was like, oh, I just agree. College is the best time of your life. And then when I got out of

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college, I was like, please tell me that was not the best time of my life, because that was rough.

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I studied a lot, I worked really hard. There’s so many things I want to do. And that was probably true. And stop me if none of this

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is relevant to your audience, but that

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was probably true for my parents. So the boomer generation, most of Gen X, because once you got out of college it was in America, you’re getting two weeks off a year if your company doesn’t pull shenanigans with vacation stuff, which companies do now.

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Yeah.

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Or you’re. And, or you’re going to have less

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disposable income than your parents generation and.

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Or you’re gonna have less free time. And I think for younger generations all of those things are true.

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They have less wealth, they have less potential to ever really own a home. At least at this rate they have less free time and they also have less of a capacity to really save and invest, which is of course dovetails the homeownership thing.

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So you’ve got this whole class of

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people, and I mean the vast majority,

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99 plus literally multiple generations of people that now they’re not sure what they can look forward to and they’re looking

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so dire for Alpha and Z and

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maybe later Millennials that they have decided, I’m not even going to try to own a home. I’m not necessarily going to be able

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to save and invest enough for retirement, therefore. And I don’t agree with this mindset, but a lot of them are saying

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screw it, why would I even try?

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If I’m going to end up with $10,000 saved every decade and then it’s going to last me for two years

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when I retire, why don’t I just

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enjoy my life now and then either figure something out later, rely on my kids, leech off society or die early enough not to care? Right.

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And I, I hate that mindset. But also, I don’t know if I

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can blame them for that at this,

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at this rate, I certainly don’t take that tack. But I mean, I don’t know how much, speaking of credibility, how much credibility

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does this do I, as a 46 year old lawyer who worked on Wall street and ended up really just getting starting off with a bang, how much credibility do I have to be like, hey, you shouldn’t do that, you should save your money? I mean, easy for me to say, I could probably retire right now and be fine. That’s not a fair position to compare to other people in our shoes and younger.

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So I don’t know, it’s going to

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be interesting to watch, but it’s going to destabilize society quite a bit, I think.

Jen Hardy [00:11:19]:
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And that leads in. Exactly. Because you know, you’re a communication person.

Jen Hardy [00:11:25]:
Right.

Jen Hardy [00:11:25]:
And the Networking person, you’re known for that. And what I wanted to ask you was, do you have some good ways we can help my audience specifically? Also we can address people who are younger, but my audience is, you know, typically over 50. What can we tell them? What can you tell them that would help them, knowing what you’ve just said? And I think that was so helpful so they can understand why maybe their kids and grandkids are acting the way they are and saying the things they are. Like, I’ve got a son who’s like, I’m a nihilist, we’re all going to die. I’m just going to die before whatever. Um, but so, so okay, what can we say to them to help them maybe bridge a communication gap a little bit so that knowing where the younger generations are, instead of being like, you need to do this and do that and do this like people are prone to do, how can they, you know, they want a relationship but at the same time they’re not really speaking in a way that’s conducive to that.

Jordan Harbinger [00:12:19]:
Sure.

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I mean one thing you mentioned, the networking and relationship development stuff, that is

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what I’ve been known for for the

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past several years, decade and change, whatever you.

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And I think as we enter this age of instability, slash, whether it’s caused

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by AI or economics or both of those things, or all of the above,

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it’s relationships and networking and connections are

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going to become even more important because

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back in the day there was the

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old boys network that’s always been in place.

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Now though, you’re not necessarily going to be able to compete based on qualification for a lot of positions. You’re going to be selected because of

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in many, for many reasons, personality. If you’re a personality based job or a network based job, you’re much safer

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than a skills based job or somebody who’s only in a skills based job. So if you’re coding right now, you’re probably going to be made redundant unless

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you’re a senior senior software engineer. And even then, I don’t know. It depends what you’re doing, it depends what projects you’re on, how qualified you are and who you know.

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And the reason that this is important is because if AI can quickly replace skills based jobs, which it’s doing and

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which it’s going to get better at doing over the next few years, single

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digit number of years, then jobs where personality matters, such as leadership positions, management

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positions, some sort of performance position, a

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communications position, that’s all going to matter

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a lot more than most skills based positions and professions.

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So you’re better if you’re in a skills based profession right now. All is not lost. But you do need to work on your people skills, which is ironic because

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when somebody says I’m a people person, it means they’re usually not qualified for anything.

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So you don’t want to only be a people person, but you have to

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be a people person in whatever position you’re in.

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Because if you’re just an automaton who

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keeps your head down and does a

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bunch of work, you’re probably not going

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to be necessary in a few short years. And that’s really scary.

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So knowing how to create and maintain

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relationships is going to be absolutely indispensable.

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And also just from a very practical perspective, if I have to lay off 100 people, I’m going to lay off the hundred that I don’t know or don’t like before I lay off a

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bunch of people that I’ve been close with and worked with on other projects

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and would love to. You know, most bosses, they’re also human, right? So they would love to jump through hoops and figure out how they can

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keep someone on that they think is brilliant and fun and entertaining and charismatic.

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They’re going to try and find a place for that person. But somebody who doesn’t get along with the team well or was just skills

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based or I’ve never met them before,

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I won’t miss them if I have

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to lay them off. And I’ve got a quota in front of me. So here we go. So that’s the problem that we’re going to be facing in, not in the distant future, but in the next two

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or three years we’re going to see AI Right now. AI can already do most of this. It’s just about adoption now. And there are trillions of dollars at the minimum. There are hundreds of billions of dollars in people. Sales organizations, SaaS, companies trying to get

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adoption for AI as quickly as possible.

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And businesses know this and they know

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they’ll be out competed by those that run AI.

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So this isn’t going to be some

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sort of adoption where it’s like, you

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know, you need an online store. Remember when that happened, Jen, in the late night, early aughts, it was like, we don’t need an online store. We’ve got brick and mortar stores in every location. People want to shop from us that were conveniently located for everyone.

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And then within, I don’t know, from

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2005 to 2007 or whatever or 8 it was. Unless you are Located in my living room. You are not close enough for me

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to do business with compared to your competition.

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So everybody in the dot com bubble

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and then beyond that went into E commerce.

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Every store, I mean, even Walmart.

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Right. It was, we don’t need this. We’re everywhere and we’re huge.

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They had to buy an E commerce

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company, I think it was Jet.com and

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they had to do that because otherwise you’re just going to order from Amazon or Target. And they were, they were looking down the, Staring down the barrel of a gun. That’s what’s going to happen with AI

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but it’s going to happen faster because everything already has the Internet built into it. And we’ve seen this movie before. Right.

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So this is essentially like adding. It’s like the invention of electricity.

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We’re electrifying everything.

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The difference is the grid is already built.

Jen Hardy [00:16:29]:
Oh, I love that. That is so good. That is. Yeah. Because it is. And the people that don’t like AI and they have a, like, I get it, you know, you don’t like it. It’s scary. I’ve got a moral thing.

Jen Hardy [00:16:39]:
It doesn’t matter.

Jordan Harbinger [00:16:40]:
No, it doesn’t matter.

Jen Hardy [00:16:42]:
It does not matter. You not using it, it doesn’t stop it. So you need to adapt. Especially people that with a business.

Jordan Harbinger [00:16:48]:
Yes.

Jen Hardy [00:16:49]:
I run into people still who won’t use it.

Jordan Harbinger [00:16:51]:
Yeah, I get it. I do get it. In fact, I, I know young people that don’t use. My generation love to say, okay, Boomer, you’re not going to use Bitcoin, who cares? It’s still going to be worth money. This isn’t just that there’s a lot of sort of moral objections to using AI. It’s not just that it’s scary, which

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it is for a lot of people.

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It’s not just that.

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It can be kind of complicated, which it can be depending on your use case or it can be really simple

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like chat G. But it can also be a moral thing. My cousin, 26, lawyer, very smart, went

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to one of the top law schools in America.

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She doesn’t like using AI because it uses too much water and it uses too much electricity. And the data centers are pushing farmers off their land in Utah, whatever, right. So she doesn’t want to use it. And I’m like, Lynn, you don’t have a choice because if you’re going to be an attorney and you’re going to do your research without AI you’re going to be out competed by everyone else at your level who’s going to do 10 times more, at least three to

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10 times more productive activity than you are per hour.

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And you just can’t afford to not

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know how to do it.

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It’s like Google. When Google came out and Yahoo was new. I told my dad we should invest

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in this if you can, because everyone’s going to use this.

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And he said why would I need

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that when there’s a library in every town?

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And I remember thinking when’s the last time you went to the library?

Jen Hardy [00:18:11]:
Never.

Jordan Harbinger [00:18:12]:
Right?

Jordan Harbinger [00:18:12]:
I mean you were probably 25 years ago. And I need an answer to something right now that you can’t possibly find anywhere in the library. Quickly.

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And it’s the weekend and I’m just

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going to type it in here and get an answer out of it. And now that’s, that’s on steroids, right?

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With AI you can use thinking modules, LLMs and stuff like that to spit out entire treatises on specific topics. Now you have to fact check them but you’d have to do that with anything you found in books anyway.

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So it’s actually quite incredible. Scary as it is. You have to learn how to use it or you’re just going to be

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deliberately and willfully ignorant of the game that’s being played around you.

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And you’re, you’re going to, you’re going to fall behind. There’s no getting around it. It’s like somebody who refused to get a cell phone. That’s fine, you don’t have to get a cell phone Tom, but you’re not going to get put on any important

Jordan Harbinger [00:18:57]:
projects because we need to be able to reach everyone.

Jordan Harbinger [00:18:59]:
And when, when the time comes time for layoffs, the luddite who doesn’t want a cell phone is the first guy to go because he’s the guy we can’t reach most of the time.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:06]:
That makes you less useful. AI is going to be the exact same thing.

Jen Hardy [00:19:10]:
Yes it is. You know I think is interesting is they’re bringing back checkers at stores. I didn’t think they were going to do that. They’re starting to bring back the checking people because apparently there’s thievery. Maybe it’s just here in Florida that’s

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:23]:
possible because you know, maybe I was just in New York. They definitely have self checkout everywhere. They probably have a ton of loss too.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:30]:
But I found it quite amazing that

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:32]:
there’s one person texting or tick tocking

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:35]:
on their phone and eight self checkouts and they didn’t seem to have a problem with that at CVS now.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:40]:
Yeah, there’s A lot of thievery and depends on where you are. I live in California and we had

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:46]:
this genius policy in place for a while. I don’t know if they’ve revised it. I believe they have.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:51]:
Where you could shoplift. Have you heard about this? You could shop.

Jen Hardy [00:19:53]:
Yes, I’ve done.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:55]:
Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:55]:
Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger [00:19:56]:
And surprise, surprise. Career criminals went in every day and shoplifted a thousand dollars worth of stuff.

Jen Hardy [00:20:01]:
Oh, my God. Grocery carts on the street, on the corner, like store selling the stuff.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:05]:
Yes.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:06]:
Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:06]:
And they’ll go sell it down the block.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:07]:
And then the cops have to prove that it was stolen, even though it’s,

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:11]:
I mean, it’s absolutely insane. So, yes, you’re gonna have human jobs, but you’re also. We’re also gonna have a bit of a surveillance state because what’s better at

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:18]:
catching thieves and in shoplifters is a facial recognition camera system that can also detect any product that you’ve put anywhere on your person at any time, that sees everything all the time.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:30]:
So we’re going to end up. You won’t need checkers anymore. You might have one or two, but they’re just there to let the police

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:36]:
in and to mop the spills up off the floor until they get a robot that can do that.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:40]:
But I don’t think AI is anything to be scared of. I do understand why people are scared of it. I do understand why people object to it. I just think it’s such a great tool to casually use. And I think if people have a

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:53]:
job and they object to AI being used in their job to replace them, which I would understand.

Jordan Harbinger [00:20:58]:
I would maybe secretly, or not so secretly, if your job allows it, look for ways to apply AI inside your company. Because if you’re the person who leads the way with it, right? If you’re in the office going, hey, you know what? I actually dumped all of our receipts

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:13]:
from yesterday, which we usually manually reconcile and put into a spreadsheet.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:17]:
I dumped all of them into.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:20]:
And you’re going to want to get permission to do this or you’re going to want to silo it so that you don’t get fired for sending off business information somewhere you shouldn’t.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:26]:
But you can dump those into AI modules and, and models. And I do that in a way

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:32]:
that doesn’t share the data with OpenAI using a business account.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:35]:
And I can. I used to audit all of the. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we have ads, right?

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:40]:
So if I, you know, I, I sell Blue Apron, I get to pay

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:44]:
my kids tuition, I Get to pay my bills.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:47]:
That’s how this works for you and me.

Jordan Harbinger [00:21:48]:
It used to take me a full day or so at least, to get everything from my network. All of these insertion orders. And then this. And then this ran then. And this. Da, da, da, da. And it would go into a spreadsheet. And then I would sit there with my wife for hours going, Tuesday, Blue

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:05]:
Apron eight Sleep mattress.

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:07]:
This thing, that thing. Apple. And she’d go, yes, yes, yes, yes. And we would check things off, and there’d be. Oh, this one was missing. What happened now? We take all the PDFs, there’s hundreds of them. We take the spreadsheet of where they were supposed to belong that we develop for the show.

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:21]:
It goes along the production calendar, essentially,

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:23]:
and we go, hey, did we run all the ads that we had on these papers?

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:28]:
Yes.

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:28]:
Okay, cool. Thanks. That took 38 seconds. Did we get paid for all these? Did the amount that went to our bank account equal all of these added up? Hold on. Thinking for 13 seconds. Yes, it looks like you did. It looks like there might be a discrepancy of $2,000, but it could be for this thing. And then we go, oh, yeah, we call them and we go, hey, did this happen? And they go, oh, you know what?

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:48]:
We sent you a separate check for that. And I go, there it is. Right in our bank account.

Jordan Harbinger [00:22:51]:
Okay, that’s the audit. It was done before the coffee shop finished my drinks. That. That’s the whole thing. So if you can lead the way with that kind of stuff for your company, then you will not get replaced by AI. At least you’ll be the last one who does, because you’re going to be

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:05]:
in charge of implementing the system and making sure that it works.

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:08]:
Don’t be. I guess the moral of the story is take control of this situation, because if you just wait for somebody else to go, hey, there’s a system that

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:15]:
replaces what Jen and Jordan do.

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:17]:
That’s not a good position to be in.

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:18]:
You don’t have any leverage. It’s not a position of power. You’re playing defense.

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:22]:
If you come in and go, all right, team, I figured out a way for us to be twice as productive

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:26]:
so that we can do twice as much in half the time. Whatever. That’s four times, I guess. But whatever.

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:31]:
We. We can all implement this. You train everyone on it, and then you can decide whether maybe your department takes on more responsibilities inside the company, making you even more valuable instead of expendable. So that’s what I’ve been teaching My listeners, in part to do is use it to empower yourself and become more indispensable to your company instead of just

Jordan Harbinger [00:23:54]:
waiting for the sword of Damocles to drop on you.

Jen Hardy [00:23:57]:
That’s brilliant. Yeah. Because you have to, you just have to. Yeah, I teach it here. I’ve been teaching it and there’s so many to companies and, and they kept saying they don’t. And I said, you know, it’s a tidal wave, though. It’s like a tidal wave.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:09]:
Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:24:09]:
You know, I can give you a surfer, which is a horrible example because

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:12]:
I know what you’re saying.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:12]:
Yeah, you don’t surf on a tidal

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:13]:
wave, but I know what you mean. Yeah, you surf it or you get

Jen Hardy [00:24:15]:
smashed by, give you a tool to help you survive it, or it’s going crush you. But your business isn’t going to last, like you said, within single digit years. There’s no possible way.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:24]:
No.

Jen Hardy [00:24:24]:
So, But I love that. That’s a, that’s an incredible thing to teach people. So thank you.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:29]:
Yeah, well, we do what we can, I suppose.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:31]:
We got to keep our, our listeners above board. We got to make sure they keep getting a paycheck so they can buy those meal programs that we shill on

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:36]:
the podcast or we’re in trouble too.

Jen Hardy [00:24:38]:
Right.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:39]:
That’s, that’s the moral story.

Jen Hardy [00:24:40]:
Oh my God. And you know, well, and my audience is really struggling because they’re, you know, basically women over 50. And so if they don’t have a job, then getting a job is, is no fun at this point, really, at all.

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:51]:
That’s true. I think about that all the time. People go, what would you do if you had to go get a job,

Jordan Harbinger [00:24:55]:
a real job now? Because I’ve been a creator for 19 years. I mean, geez, one, I’m unemployable.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:01]:
Two, there’s definitely something to the ageism, ageism thing. I mean, I hear it all the time, I see it all the time. People don’t want to hire folks that are too young because they don’t know

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:12]:
what they’re doing and they’re not that useful and they value brunch over client satisfaction, but they don’t want to hire

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:18]:
people with too many gray hairs. Like, like us. I mean, mine’s all on the side. I cut it off when I go

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:22]:
to the barber so that I look younger. Right.

Jen Hardy [00:25:23]:
But so much younger than me.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:26]:
46 and 56. It doesn’t sound that far apart to me. And, but I, I’ll tell you, if you’re, if I’m 46. I don’t want to hire anybody in their 20s, but hiring somebody in their 60s, I don’t know if I would do that. And I’m just being honest. Don’t hate me.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:40]:
Don’t shoot the messenger.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:41]:
I don’t think I’m alone with that. I think if somebody looks for a new career and.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:45]:
And I think women have it harder than men do in this department for various reasons.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:49]:
If you’re looking for a new career in your 50s, it’s not impossible, but it sure is hard.

Jordan Harbinger [00:25:53]:
And you’re probably not going to make nearly as much as you would have if you had been, you know, if you weren’t replaced by AI and you stayed in your same career track, for example.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:00]:
Right.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:00]:
You know, Absolutely.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:01]:
It’s hard to become a plumber at age 55.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:03]:
I mean, it’s not.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:04]:
Again, not impossible. You probably could find somebody who would

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:06]:
train you, but it’s not going to be.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:09]:
You’re gonna. You’re gonna have a sore back and

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:10]:
some sore knees, you know?

Jen Hardy [00:26:11]:
Right.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:11]:
That’s.

Jen Hardy [00:26:13]:
Yeah, there’s not a lot of people. Yeah. No, thank you.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:15]:
No, thank you.

Jen Hardy [00:26:16]:
I don’t. I’m very. Basically unemployable as well. I can’t imagine, But I can’t imagine. I just can’t imagine. This just is going to work. That’s all there is to it.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:24]:
Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:26:24]:
Right.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:25]:
Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:26:26]:
I don’t know. My dad had his own business. He had an office at home in the 70s and 80s, and no one else did that. And I tried doing other jobs, and I could not do it. I couldn’t figure out what it was. But what it was is they were keeping most of the money I was making them, and my dad brought it his all. He brought his all home, and I wanted that. So once I figured that out, it was much cheesy.

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:44]:
It’s a good model to have. I mean, entrepreneurship is not for the faint of heart. I grew up in Michigan, and the only people I knew that owned a business, whatever that was, they either owned

Jordan Harbinger [00:26:54]:
a Greek restaurant, because everybody was Greek and owned these things called. We called them Coney Islands. I don’t know why the hell. I. I’m not sure how that happened.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:01]:
Coney island, it’s not nothing to do with New York. It’s a hot dog restaurant that also

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:05]:
has Greek food and the flaming cheese.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:08]:
It doesn’t make any sense now that

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:09]:
I say it out loud, but that’s. We had a ton of those in Michigan.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:12]:
Somebody else would own a Chinese restaurant.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:13]:
They were, of course, Also Chinese.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:15]:
And there was people who didn’t own restaurants, owned a dry cleaner or they

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:20]:
were a lawyer and they had their shingle out. And so our dentist.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:23]:
There were not other business owner type

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:26]:
people around me in Michigan. And it was completely foreign for somebody

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:30]:
who’s not a doctor, a lawyer, dentist,

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:33]:
again, a Greek restaurant owner, or a dry clean.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:36]:
That was it. Those are the. Those are the jobs that weren’t employed by somebody else. That was it.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:40]:
That was the entire extent of entrepreneurship in my area.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:44]:
So now it’s completely different. Now you can start a business like your dad having a home office in

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:49]:
the 70s and 80s.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:50]:
What were you doing in there, man? You got a fax machine.

Jen Hardy [00:27:53]:
It was crazy.

Jordan Harbinger [00:27:54]:
What is happening in here? You got Internet on a separate phone line. Like, are you sure you’re not a spy? It just sounds like something out of a dystopian novel almost.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:04]:
Right? You got a separate phone line and you keep the lights low and you’ve

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:06]:
got the little green.

Jen Hardy [00:28:07]:
It was the whole thing.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:08]:
Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, your mom’s like, what’s he doing in there? Can you go look and see what he’s doing in there? But now it’s not weird at all

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:14]:
to have anything like that. And. And my, My parents, to this day, of course, they. They only understand what I do because they listen to the show, but they don’t see the. The rest of the business.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:22]:
This is the world is our oyster now. You can make money doing pretty much anything from anywhere. So location arbitrage is another major thing

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:30]:
that I think young and older people can do.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:32]:
I know everyone says they can’t move. You probably can. I know you can’t, can’t, but you can. Can. And I think a lot of people

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:40]:
really need to look into that because

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:41]:
you live in Florida.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:42]:
One of my.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:43]:
I live in California and one of my friends told me, he goes, when

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:46]:
you retire, you have to. You’re just going to move literally anywhere in the world. It’s going to be half the price of California.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:51]:
And it’s true. It’s true.

Jen Hardy [00:28:52]:
I’m from California, but I live in an island here and I couldn’t do that there. So that’s why. You know.

Jen Hardy [00:28:57]:
Know.

Jen Hardy [00:28:57]:
That’s why I do.

Jordan Harbinger [00:28:58]:
It depends if the show gets any bigger, you just buy your own island. You’ll be fine.

Jen Hardy [00:29:02]:
I’m working on naming it Hardy island, actually. The whole thing, it’s.

Jen Hardy [00:29:04]:
It’s a thing.

Jen Hardy [00:29:05]:
We’re working on it.

Jordan Harbinger [00:29:06]:
I hear there’s a guy named Jeffrey Epstein that recently vacated. You could probably Pick that up for cheap.

Jen Hardy [00:29:10]:
No, no, no. A lot of children, but different children. Oh. I am starting a new platform. It’s called pick your label. And I’m guessing you probably don’t like labels. How do you know about labels?

Jordan Harbinger [00:29:20]:
I don’t know. It depends. It depends how rude it is.

Jordan Harbinger [00:29:23]:
Usually I have to accept the consequences of whatever people label me because that’s part of being a public figure.

Jen Hardy [00:29:29]:
A lot of women over 50, they’ve taken on all these crowd, you know, crap labels. You’ve been. We’ve both been given some not very pleasant ones. Right. And it’s about teaching them how to get rid of that that sticks in their head and put on something that they want and like stepping into the woman or the person they’ve always wanted to be.

Jordan Harbinger [00:29:47]:
Right, yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, look, it’s very human to identify yourself by your occupation, but you don’t actually have to do that.

Jordan Harbinger [00:29:55]:
It’s just a sort of particular quirk of, frankly, American culture and human nature in general.

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:02]:
So when I was. When I was a lawyer, I guess

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:05]:
I still technically am.

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:06]:
I also had my radio show and my podcast, and I did not introduce

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:10]:
myself as a lawyer. Most of the time I did.

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:13]:
If I was meeting a girl’s parents for the first time, I would say I’m a lawyer and I also have a radio show. Otherwise, I’m a talk show host on the radio. That was way more interesting, way more fun, and it was how I preferred

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:22]:
to think of myself, and it was

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:23]:
where I saw myself going long term. So if you’re an accountant and you’re also a painter, there’s no reason you have to. You’re not lying if you say. If you introduce yourself as a painter, and I find that introducing yourself by show, basically assuming a part of your identity that you would rather focus on, is totally fine and probably a pretty

Jordan Harbinger [00:30:42]:
beneficial for mental health slash sanity, if I’m perfectly honest. I think so. And it’s always been that way for me.

Jen Hardy [00:30:50]:
That’s awesome.

Jen Hardy [00:30:50]:
Yeah. And I feel like you pick all kinds of things and you do them and then you move on and it makes life fun. I can’t imagine just doing the same thing forever. But no, no, no. Certainly been amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I appreciate you and your time and it’s been a whirlwind and the questions I was going to ask. Well, next time.

Jordan Harbinger [00:31:08]:
Yeah, exactly.

Jordan Harbinger [00:31:09]:
Jen, thanks so much. I hope your facial thing heals up. That’s you, you, you. I hope you know buy a lottery ticket because I think getting Mercer is pretty rare. So you might. Yeah, it might be due for a win.

Jordan Harbinger [00:31:21]:
Yeah.

Jen Hardy [00:31:21]:
Yeah. So thanks. I appreciate you.

Jordan Harbinger [00:31:24]:
Thanks, Jen. Be well.

Jen Hardy [00:31:25]:
Talk to you later. Bye.

Jordan Harbinger [00:31:27]:
That was fun.

Jen Hardy [00:31:28]:
That was fun.

Jen Hardy [00:31:30]:
That was so much fun. Oh, my goodness. Next up, we’re going to have Cindy Gallup. Now, Cindy Gallup has a platform called Make Love Notporn Academy. She is teaching people how to. Well, she wants people to learn about good sex and not the nasty stuff that’s going on out there. Her story is incredibly fascinating. You’re going to fall in love with her.

Jen Hardy [00:31:56]:
She’s just such a genuine person and she wants to change the way the world sees sexuality, sensuality, and especially women. She’s got a unique way of wanting to do that. So you’re definitely going to want to tune in and I look forward to talking to you then. Stay tuned and stay fabulous.